Is Science Diet good?

Lizzie DenisonLizzie Denison Member Posts: 2
edited 31 July, 2007 in Food & Nutrition
Hi. I got Duchess yesterday and she has been fed Science Diet and I was wondering if its a good, healthy food. If anyone knows of a really good food, please recomend! Thanks! :)
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  • Karen LeeKaren Lee The kingdom of Mer-lotMember Posts: 89,020
    edited 22 July, 2007
    Science Diet is a mid-quality food. For really good food, you want premium food: Innova EVO, Nature's Variety, Merrick, Wellness, etc. Premium foods have top quality ingredients and real meat as the first few ingredients. Now this is just my opinion :) Some feel that Science Diet is a perfectly good food. You can stick with it or go with something better quality. Buy whatever brand of food you feel is best for you and your feelings on ingredient quality and how much you are willing to pay. Premium foods can be a bit expensive and most are found only in small non chain pet stores.
  • Phoebe HartPhoebe Hart Member Posts: 13
    edited 22 July, 2007
    Meowmie does not trust that brand... heard too many horror stories...
  • kate vonkkate vonk BoiseMember Posts: 1,313
    edited 23 July, 2007
    science diet has by-products and corn both of which are pretty low quality. i also saw that some of their varities include animal fat which is an ingredient i would avoid. i would go with what is already mentioned. we eat innova evo and love it but it took our mom a while to get over the sticker shock (it's about 34 dollars for about 15.5 pounds). felidae is less expensive but also really good. or if you are or know someone that is a costco member you can buy the kirkland brand which has very good ingredients for the price (it's about 13 dollars for 25 pounds). we used to eat that before we switched to grain free. happy kibble hunting!
  • Stephanie ChangtuStephanie Changtu Miami Fl,Member Posts: 883
    edited 23 July, 2007
    Science Diet is super good It is better than friskies 9 lives Fancy feast Special kitty alpo Figaro and alot more.
  • kate vonkkate vonk BoiseMember Posts: 1,313
    edited 24 July, 2007
    it is a little better than grocery brands but still not high quality especially for the price. i've heard a lot of things about cats gorging themselves because it is not filling and they are looking for more nutrition.
  • Emma MendiolaEmma Mendiola Suisun CityMember Posts: 59
    edited 24 July, 2007
    I agree with Merlin and Oscar . . . better than some, but not as good as others. My brother and I get fed a mixture of Nature\'s Variety Raw Instinct and two rotational spots for other premium foods until we find the ones we like best. Right now we\'re trying out Wysong\'s Nuture and Solid Gold Katz-n-Flocken and plan to try California Natural and maybe Newman\'s Own next. We\'ve tried Innova Evo and liked it well enough, but it certainy was not our favorite. A little background on my experience with Science Diet . . .when I first came home and for almost a year after, Link and I got Science Diet. First we got the kitten formula then eventually the Adult, then Light, then Indoor formulas. I started gaining weight and was still always hungry, so Mom did a bit of online research, looked into some forums, and decided to put us on a high protein premium food diet. We\'ve been on it for almost a year now, and we\'ve never been happier! We are constantly complimented on how healthy we look and how pretty our coats are. According to Mom, our food costs a pretty penny, but I\'m glad she gets it for us anyway. Some of the brands we eat aren\'t available everywhere, so Mom gets it online from Only Natural Pet Store (onlynaturalpet.com).
  • Cherise ReeseCherise Reese AustinMember Posts: 128
    edited 24 July, 2007
    Science Diet used to be good food when it first came on the market, and for several years after that. However, a couple of years ago the powers that be over at Hills decided that cats should eat vegetables. :? Science Diet was reformulated to include a lot less meat, more vegetables, and fiber fillers. This makes absolutely no sense because cats are obligate carnivores, meaning they MUST eat meat to survive. To find the best food for your new feline friend, figure out how much money you will be able to spend a week feeding her, then go to the store and start reading ingedients in the foods you are interested in buying. Local petstores are the best source of information, and usually the most friendly. If you only have chain stores in your area then consider going to Petco. They have a few of the higher quality foods that Petsmart won\'t have. The previous poster who recommended the Kirkland brand from Costco is right about it being quality for a decent price. Stay away from Sam\'s though. Their brand of pet food is mostly corn, yuk
  • Kim WashburnKim Washburn LouisvilleMember Posts: 1,057
    edited 24 July, 2007
    Ok, how about us special needs kitties? Both of my vets say Science Diet for urinary issues is what I should eat. Mommy isn't that happy with it for some of the issues stated, but she is having a hard time finding another brand that all of us can eat. We've always free fed and she just couldn't convince us to switch. We are all quite stubborn here at our house! I should probably start another thread, but figured I'd see if anyone here could give me some pointers. Thanks, Felix
  • Lizzie DenisonLizzie Denison Member Posts: 2
    edited 24 July, 2007
    Thanks everyone for your responses! Very helpful! :h:
  • Karolyn WcisloKarolyn Wcislo Easton, PAMember Posts: 7,551
    edited 24 July, 2007
    There is better food out there... I liked Instinct and am trying out wellness right now...
  • Angela ClarkAngela Clark Fort SmithMember Posts: 15,094
    edited 25 July, 2007
    Felix, you should try wellness. I was diagnosed with CRF two years ago. Mommy was in your very same situation of not wanting to feed Science Diet and needing to feed me and one healthy cat. She found wellness and after being on it for a few months my blood values were all back to normal. The doctors are constantly amazed at how well I'm doing. Mommy eventually switched to Innova Evo and we liked that too. Right now we are food hopping. Marina can eat anything. I have CRF and need special food but my stomach is strong. Tosca has struvite crystals in her urine and everything gives her diarrhea or makes her vomit. On top of that, she is still a kitten. The only food we've found so far that all of us can eat is Merrick, which is a canned food. We are still looking for a dry food so we can free feed during the day and so there won't be so much pressure on our pet sitters when mommy goes out of town.
  • Crystal FoggCrystal Fogg Member Posts: 370
    edited 25 July, 2007
    Science Diet is a good food and company which often gets the bad wrap. It's one of few foods which can be bought either through your vet, as in prescription food, or non prescription, which can be purchased through your local pet store. As for the company itself, they tend to know more about cats than other so called premium food brands. Vets like it because of the ingredients, other premium brands vets often wont go anywhere near. Also if your a cat lover, like who isn't on this site, when you purchase Science Diet you give back to the animals =D> Science Diet donates thousands of pounds of food free of charge to local animals shelters and rescue groups, many of whom would not be able to afford to take care of kitties and puppies without the donation. Oue shelter alone goes through approximatly a 1000 ounds of food a week, and every week, Science Diet send their truck off to drop off food to us at no cost. Their driver even comes in and helps socialize the kitties for a few minutes when he has the time. In my book Science Diet is a plus. If I'm going to pay top dollar for food, I want to make sure that every cent I spend is going to good use, and Science Diet, in my opinion does that by helping other animals. Think your premium food gives back to the community? Visit their website, and email them...you'll find most could care less.
  • Heather ThompsonHeather Thompson BountifulMember Posts: 3,652
    edited 25 July, 2007
    I am a Science Diet Victim.....I was fed Science Diet and contracted lympho-sarcoma...mommy knows it was the food, cause she lost about 8 kids due to cancer in a 2 year span all were fairly young (under 3) and once she quit feeding that stuff....she hasn't lost a kid since to cancer. Just mommy's experience and opinion. Forgot to mention...that mommy said it used to have a lot of nasty preservatives such as BHA, BHT and Ethoxyquin....they have since changed it in most of their foods to something more natural.
  • kate vonkkate vonk BoiseMember Posts: 1,313
    edited 26 July, 2007
    they use animal fat in their nature's best line which is a very questionable ingredient. when i asked a vet i went to what to feed my underweight kitten who had a URI what to feed she said, "oh, any of the major brands". also science diet is owned by colgate palmolive a multi-national conglomerate. i only like to buy pet food from companies solely in the business of making pet food. and i think a reason why vets don't recommend small brands unless they've done research on their own is because they don't know about them. heck, i didn't even know about the food i feed now until i started doing my own research.
  • Tiffany McConnellTiffany McConnell OmahaMember Posts: 30,862
    edited 26 July, 2007
    I ate that stuff for a few months. Back then I'd up-chuck alot, and my fur looked clumpy, greasy and dandruffy. Then swapped to Eukanuba for awhile (which didnt really help) then to Natural Balance which kind of helped but not really. Then the recalls happened. With the advice of a very good friend of mine on here, I changed to By Nature Organics. I love it! If I drop a piece while eating I'll do whatver I can to get it back, even if it includes scooting things around with my nose! I rarely throw up now, and my fur is super soft and lush. I have no daandruff, and the fur on my lips is slowly coming back!!! By Nature also doesnt have any by products or glutens which is great, and its very organic and healthy!!!!! It runs around the price of Science Diet. Hope this helps! Purrs & Pounces, ~Chey~
  • kate vonkkate vonk BoiseMember Posts: 1,313
    edited 26 July, 2007
    i've heard great things about by nature. it's one of the best foods petsmart carries.
  • Vanessa BobackVanessa Boback TampaMember Posts: 3,149
    edited 26 July, 2007
    Science Diet is NOT good. I'm sorry if that offends anyone but all you have to do is read the ingredients and all the animals that have died due to the poor quality of meat and grains. And cats shouldn't even have grains. I think that if the people there cared about animals they would put themselves out of business. They don't know anything about animals if they think that poisoning them is to their benefit. I have rasha on Orijen dry food and Evangers/ Innova EVO wet food. There are other good foods to choose from though and I wish you luck on your voyage to find the right food! =;
  • Tiffany McConnellTiffany McConnell OmahaMember Posts: 30,862
    edited 26 July, 2007
    Thats right Oscar!! And its tasty too!! =;
  • kate vonkkate vonk BoiseMember Posts: 1,313
    edited 27 July, 2007
    yay for tasty food! ;c;
  • Karen LeeKaren Lee The kingdom of Mer-lotMember Posts: 89,020
    edited 27 July, 2007
    Yunmm... tasty healthy food :c9 I agree with Rasha. Cats are obligate carnivores, meaning they have to eat muscle meat. Why feed a food that is nothing but by-products and grains? :? Meat meal is a low quality ingredient. It's technically still meat but muscle meat is much better for us.
  • kate vonkkate vonk BoiseMember Posts: 1,313
    edited 27 July, 2007
    chicken meal is just the chicken with the water already removed and if you are eating dry they have to take the water out anyway.
  • Karen LeeKaren Lee The kingdom of Mer-lotMember Posts: 89,020
    edited 28 July, 2007
    True, Oscar :-k I guess any form of meat is better than no meat at all.
  • Melissa FordMelissa Ford Santa CruzMember Posts: 3,914
    edited 28 July, 2007
    I was trying to avoid this thread, as I hate having pet food discussions, but I couldn't let this one go. Rasha, says 'but all you have to do is read the ingredients and all the animals that have died due to the poor quality of meat and grains. And cats shouldn't even have grains. I think that if the people there cared about animals they would put themselves out of business. They don't know anything about animals if they think that poisoning them is to their benefit." Is there ANY proof that animals died of poor meat and grain quality due to any malpractice on Science Diets' part? Sure is the wheat gluten problem, but this is not exclusive to Science Diet, and in fact there are very few of their products that were on the recall list. Secondly...these people know a great deal about animals and have been in business far longer than many of the other companies out there, since 1939. I think they know a great deal about animals which is why they have been around so long and they hire board-certified specialists in nutrition and internal medicine to help run their facilities. Some History on Hills: In 1928, Dr. Mark L. Morris Sr. established Raritan Hospital for Animals in Edison, New Jersey. At the time, this was one of only two small animal hospitals in the United States. By 1939, Dr. Morris believed managing nutrition could have a positive effect on the health of companion animals. n the late 1930s, Morris Frank, a young blind man, was touring the country with his guide dog Buddy promoting Seeing Eye® dogs. However, Buddy, a German Shepard, was suffering from kidney failure and Mr. Frank asked Dr. Morris for help. Dr. Morris believed the illness was a result of poor nutrition, and began developing a new pet food to help Buddy. With his wife, Louise Morris, in the kitchen, Dr. Morris formulated the dog food. Louise and three other women continued making the food in the Morris family basement, storing it in Ball® jars. Raritan Ration B was the forerunner of Hill's® Prescription Diet® k/d® Canine and is developed for dogs with renal failure and insufficiency. At the Hill's Pet Nutrition Center in Topeka, Kansas, a staff of veterinarians and board-certified specialists in nutrition and internal medicine work alongside a staff of companion pets to develop nutritious and tasty pet food. Each companion pet has a team to provide it clean, roomy living quarters, exercise areas, an agility course and other human and animal companions. The world-class facility also houses a fully equipped veterinary hospital certified by the American Animal Hospital Association (AAHA). This means the hospital conforms with the highest standards of small animal veterinary hospitals today. 1906 - Burton Hill founds Hill Packing Company. 1926 - Dr. Mark Morris Sr. graduates from Cornell University veterinary college. 1928 - Dr. Mark Morris establishes Raritan Hospital for Animals in Edison, New Jersey. 1931 - Hill Packing Company is incorporated under Kansas law. 1939 - Morris Frank meets Dr. Morris Sr., at a luncheon and asks him to examine his guide dog Buddy. Dr. Morris diagnosed kidney failure. He believes Buddy can be helped with a food he had developed, and sends Mr. Frank home with Raritan Ration B. This food was the forerunner of Prescription Diet® k/d® Canine and is developed to help dogs with renal failure and insufficiency. Dr. Morris cans Raritan Ration B in glass jars. 1933 - Dr. Mark Morris Sr. becomes first president of the American Animal Hospital Association (AAHA) and serves until 1935 1948 - Dr. Mark Morris works with Burton Hill, of the Hill Packing Company, to can Canine k/d®, formerly known as Raritan Ration B and Canine p/d®, formerly known as Raritan Ration C. Dr. Morris establishes a charity for small animals that would later became known as Morris Animal Foundation - a foundation where animals are #1, and their welfare and health the sole, unwavering focus. 1949 - Prescription Diet® i/d® is developed for gastrointestinal disorders in dogs. Prescription Diet® r/d® is developed for obesity in dogs. 1958 - Hill Packing Company establishes plants in Kansas, South Carolina, South Dakota, Ohio, Arkansas, Massachusetts and Washington. 1960 - Dr. Morris Sr. becomes the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) president. 1962 - Burton Hill dies; Richard L. Davis replaces him as Hill's Pet Nutrition president. 1964 - Prescription Diet® h/d® is developed for pets with heart failure and heart disease. 1965 - Prescription Diet® d/d® is developed for pets with dermatological conditions associated with certain food allergies. 1966 - Richard L. Davis dies; Don F. Hogue replaces him as Hill's Pet Nutrition president. 1968 - Riviana Foods purchases Hill's Pet Nutrition and its formulas, contracts with Mark Morris Associates to develop new pet food formulas. 1968 - Dr. Mark Morris Jr., creates the Science Diet® line of pet foods for healthy pets. The first Science Diet® pet food, Adult Maintenance, is marketed. 1971 - Prescription Diet® c/d® is developed for cats with lower urinary tract disease. 1976 - Colgate-Palmolive Company acquires Riviana Foods. 1977 - Prescription Diet® u/d® is developed for canine urinary tract disease due to calcium oxalate, urate and cystine. 1979 - Science Diet® Senior developed for geriatric wellness. 1981 - Bob Wheeler becomes President of Hill's Pet Nutrition. Prescription Diet® s/d® is developed for canine urinary tract conditions due to struvite dissolution. The revolutionary new product could actually help the body dissolve certain types of bladder stones in dogs. 1983 - First publication of the Small Animal Clinical Nutrition textbook, co-authored by Dr. Morris Jr., which would become the definitive text on nutrition for dogs and cats and used in veterinary colleges worldwide. 1987 - Prescription Diet® w/d® is developed for pets needing weight control and fiber-responsive diseases and digestive troubles. 1992 - Prescription Diet® a/d® is developed for assisted feeding and recovery. 1994 - Prescription Diet® t/d® is developed for oral care. 1996 - Science Diet® Large Breed Growth puppy formula is developed. 1998 - Prescription Diet® n/d® is developed as the only therapeutic pet food clinically proven to increase the survival time of dogs undergoing a cancer treatment and improve their quality of life. 1999 - Hill's Pet Nutrition becomes a $1 billion company. Science Diet® Hairball Control is developed. 2000 - Prescription Diet® z/d® is developed for pets with food allergies. Science Diet® Sensitive Skin and Sensitive Stomach are developed. 2001 - Prescription Diet® b/d® is developed with an exclusive blend of antioxidants to help combat signs of brain aging and improve the learning ability of older dogs. 2002 - Hill's Science Diet Shelter Nutrition Partnership established. 2003 - Prescription Diet m/d developed for cats who are in need of weight loss and/or who have diabetes. Science Diet® Advanced Protection® launches as an extraordinary line of pet foods with the highest levels of antioxidants of any pet food on the market. 2005 - Prescription Diet® j/d® is developed for dogs with mobility problems. Science Diet® Indoor Cat is marketed. 2007 - Dr. Mark Morris Jr. passed away. Prescription Diet® c/d® Multicare Feline developed for cats with lower urinary tract disease Seems to me they have done a lot for pet nutrition over the last 100 years. I am all for feeding whatever you want to. In fact, I am a firm believer in feeding what you can afford to feed and what your animals will eat and do well on. I happen to be a Science Diet feeder. I have tried other foods, but Hunter refuses them. He has no health problems, in fact not a single value was low or high on his last blood and urine panel. Pretty good for a 7 year old cat on Science Diet his whole life. I don't believe slandering companies is the right way to go about discussing quality of food.(this is why I hate these discussions because everyone believes the food they feed is better than "x's" food). Sorry this was so long!!!!!
  • Heather ThompsonHeather Thompson BountifulMember Posts: 3,652
    edited 28 July, 2007
    Hunter; I died several years ago and it WAS not due to the recent recalls.....Science diet was using Ethoxyquin, BHA and BHT. Ethoxyquin has been KNOWN to cause cancer.....
  • Melissa FordMelissa Ford Santa CruzMember Posts: 3,914
    edited 28 July, 2007
    Murphy, I am sorry you died of cancer. My purrs go out to your family. I tryulyh wish you were still with us. There are many things in our world today that are known carcinogens and unless you had proof that this particular drug caused your cancer you can not point the finger at Science Diet. (The sun causes cancer too, but we all go outside). Lymphoma in cats, as in dogs, is classified based on the anatomic area that seems most prominently affected by the tumor. In dogs, the most common lymphoma form is the multicentric form, where all the peripheral lymph nodes of the body seem to enlarge at once. While this can certainly occur in cats, the most common feline form of lymphoma is currently intestinal. This was not always the case. Years ago, prior to the widespread use of the feline leukemia vaccine, the mediastinal form (a tumor in the chest cavity) was the predominant lymphoma form and the leading cause of lymphoma was the feline leukemia virus. Now that the virus has become less common, thanks to more cats living indoors, effective vaccination, and readily available testing procedures, causes of lymphoma are more obscure. Cigarette smoke in the home has been found to double a cat's risk though genetic issues, environmental chemicals and unknown factors remain under consideration. Lymphoma can occur anywhere in the body where there is lymph tissue. There are too many unknowns. Since your environment was also likely the same as the other kitties in your family, the cancer could also have been related to that. I don't want to debate your death, as any passing is tremendously sad. I only want to point out that there are other factors present in each kitties life, any number of which could be the cause of illness. Purrs!!
  • Heather ThompsonHeather Thompson BountifulMember Posts: 3,652
    edited 28 July, 2007
    Mommy works for a vet so she knows a lot about cancer, and has done a TON of research on this subject and has had MANY MANY MANY instances where she has seen/heard of others who were on Science Diet get cancer too....she's not saying it's 100% guaranteed but why when that was the only change in the environment/nutrition did she stop losing pets to cancer? And WHY has science diet quit using those harmful preservatives? Oh yes....no smoking in mommy's house EVER ICK! Also she had several (like 6) dogs die of cancer and a lot were RARE types and NO she didn't live on a power plant or anything around the same time that I did.....ALL of us were fed Science Diet....since she quit feeding Science Diet no more cancer....My brother MacLeod...is still alive and well....he eats Royal Canin now.....Just the facts.
  • Teresa ConcannonTeresa Concannon Member Posts: 7,378
    edited 29 July, 2007
    This is a controversial subject and I hesitate to add my two cents. But the only two brands I\'d eat were Purina One and anything made by Science Diet. Mostly I ate Science Diet. I got cancer. I\'m the only cat mom had that ever ate Science Diet and the only cat who ever had cancer. However, mom also can\'t rule out the fact that I lived in shelters and foster homes for the first 4+ years of my life and was exposed to stress and other environmental factors she doesn\'t know about. And they gave me way too many vaccinations that mom would never have allowed me to have, like the Feline Leukemia vaccination. Mom will not feed Science Diet (or Royal Canin or Eukanuba) to my sisters KC and Mittens. They eat Wellness, By Nature Organic, Natural Balance, Nature\'s Variety and sometimes the gourmet grain-free Fancy Feast. She\'ll never feed them Science Diet, not even the prescription SD.
  • D GarmanD Garman RichmondMember Posts: 745
    edited 29 July, 2007
    I think there was a time when Science Diet WAS the best food on the market. However, I think times have changed and there are now better quality foods available. We have more choices now than ever before and many pet owners are more educated now than ever before. That being said, while I don't feed Science Diet, I do think there are certainly worse foods out there. And I think every kitty is different. You have to find a happy medium between what you feel comfortable with your cat eating and what works for your cat. Good luck!
  • Crystal FoggCrystal Fogg Member Posts: 370
    edited 29 July, 2007
    I have to agree with Hunter on this one. There was a massive scare about pet foods, food inparticular which had grains, wheat grains. My question is, if your fear is in feeding your animal grains, do you truely understand why the mainufactors have choicen to add grains to their products, or are you basing your opinoin on a whole bunch of internet hype? My guess is that if you had done more research on the use of grains in pet food, you would find that the reason so many companies include grains in their food, particularly wheat grain, is because it is a ceral grain which contains L-lysine. L-lysine is VERY VERY good for animals and humans alike and can be found in foods like soy beans, ceral grains, lentil beans and so forth. If you do an internet search on L-Lysine here's two sites to get you started, (http://cats.about.com/cs/healthissues/a/uris_in_cats.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-Lysine) you will find that it is commonly used to treat both Herpes and Calicivirus which are the cause of approximately 90% of URI's (upper respirtory infections) in cats. Before just going with the flow, take the time to educate yourself!
  • Teresa ConcannonTeresa Concannon Member Posts: 7,378
    edited 30 July, 2007
    L-lysine is also found in meats, poultry, fish and eggs. Cats are obligate carnivores and do not have the digestive enzymes in their stomachs to break down and process grains. My guess is that pet food companies add grains because they are a cheap source of filler protein. And I\'m not sure how dry cat food could be made without grains. I ate dry cat food all of my life and never suffered any digestive problems. I\'m not trying to demonize or pick on any particular pet food company. Making cat food with good quality meat and poultry is expensive and most people do not want to or cannot pay the money for a better quality cat food. The pet food companies make pet foods that meet the minimum nutritional standards of the average cat or dog, so they do fill a need. And most cats seem to be able to tolerate grains. My mom\'s cats vomit when they eat dry cat foods (any brand) or canned foods loaded with grains. Which is why she will never feed them Science Diet. And she agrees that there are much better brands of cat food on the market, but there are much worse, too.
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