I am about to loose my mind--begging for help at this point.

james de cramerjames de cramer Member Posts: 29
edited 6 August, 2010 in Behavior & Training
Kenji my 7 months old neutered male cat will NOT stop stepping on his poop and walking all around the house tracking it. I tried to let it go, think he will grow out of it but its just not happening. My other cat covers it up and no problem at all but he will not cover anything up, and step on poop or urine EVERY SINGLE TIME he uses the litter box and comes out running. He not only steps on it, but everytime he urinates its on his butt, legs and feet and when he poops too. He never cleans himself and just walks around with it. They have 2 clean litter boxes that i clean 6-7 TIMES A DAY because he poops and urinates very often and i am down on my knees cleaning and wiping the carpet with poop stains 4-5 TIMES EVERY SINGLE DAY. I am writing after it just happened again now, at this point i just sit down and cry on the floor for about 20 minutes out of anger and then get up and clean again. My hands are so dry at this point from chemical contact and washing constantly the skin breaks and bleeds whenever i close my fists. I took him to the vet 3-4 times, brought stool samples and nothing.. there is nothing wrong with him and the vet said its a behaviour KINK i have to get used to. I am at my wits end and at this point if you guys cant please find a fix for this kenji will soon find himself up for adoption. I love him very much but this is torture.. Having to hand wipe clean the entire carpet in a room every time he uses his litter box and then cleaning him is torture... I dread seeing him go to the litter box now... Please for the love of god help me.

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  • Tara WTara W St. PaulMember Posts: 939
    edited 3 October, 2009
    A kitty shouldn't be pooping 4-5 times a day. What are you feeding him? Is it at least something grain free? What are the poops like? If he's tracking poop around theymust be at least semi-soft and that's not normal. Once in a while wouldn't be a cause for concern, but not on a regular basis. This sounds more like a health issue more than a behavioral one. I would first find a different vet. Personally I would seek out a holistic vet. Someone who will look at the big picture and not just the symptom that's driving you nuts. My guess would be a food allergy or even the start of IBD.
  • Tara McLennanTara McLennan Member Posts: 17
    edited 3 October, 2009
    I agree with Khina's post. Marie has only been pooping once a day since she was 2 months old. Does he have any food allergies? Any other reactions other than the constant pooping?
  • Molly StrothkampMolly Strothkamp MesaMember Posts: 1,381
    edited 3 October, 2009
    I agree with Khina, sounds like a possible medical issue. Are there any feline-specialist vets in your town? I am not saying that what happened with my kitty is what is happening with your kitty but I'll share what recently happened: My 6 month old kitten Leo was having issues very similar to what you described off and on since I adopted him 3 months ago. For the past 6 weeks, it was almost every time he pooped. I had no idea that his poopy issues were medical at all; I thought it was because he is so long-haired and still a kitten. And then two weeks ago, he stopped jumping. Seemed fine in every other way but just wouldn't/couldn't jump. After seeing 5 vets in 6 days, his condition rapidly deteriorated and he wasn't able to walk or even stand up. He saw a neurologist a week ago and had neurological testing- turns out he has an immune-mediated condition called peripheral neuropathy. That means that the messages from his brain were not getting to the nerves in his leg muscles and anal muscles. The reason he had all of those problems with poop was because his anal muscles were not stong enough to push everything out and it would get all over him. He also didn't have the muscle control to bury it and not step in it. I had no idea that he had a medical/neurological condition causing his poop problems and neither did the first 4 vets that saw Leo. I don't want to scare you because Leo's condition is somewhat rare and of course, I have no idea what (if any) medical things might be going on with your sweet kitty. But Leo's story is an example of how a medical condition might look like a behavioral condition, even to experienced vets. I do know your frustration, it's an awful situation to be in. Definitely look into getting a second opinion from another vet. I am happy to say that once Leo's condition was diagnosed and we started treatment with medication, he is doing much better, walking, running, and jumping and he has only had one instance of a litterbox problem in the last week. Take care. |:|
  • Annalisa Conserti-JonesAnnalisa Conserti-Jones Member Posts: 5,234
    edited 3 October, 2009
    Yeah, if the poo is soft and sticks to his fur every time, it might be a medical problem that your vet is just not familiar with.
  • james de cramerjames de cramer Member Posts: 29
    edited 3 October, 2009
    Thank you for all the responses. Here is the whole story: I've fed kenji wellness core kitten dry since i got him along with weruva nine liver wet mixed with Innova Evo wet. He would still step on it and track it around but it was not as bad as this---now he has diarrhea. It started so suddenly and without any reason, i did not change his food or anything but adopted a second cat, Yumi. They now get along great and play together so i am ruling out the "its stress related" option because he is certainly not stressed. So the stepping on/tracking did get worse but did not start because of diarrhea. Whenever he urinates it is all over his legs too and he steps in that as well. Now the diarrhea problem: The vet asked for his stool sample (2 times) and there were no parasites, worms or giardia (i think thats how it is spelled?) detected. Yumi whom she shares everything with (they insist on using the same litter box even though they have their own and he eats from her bowl) does not show the same symptoms. The vet first gave me an anti-diarrhetic that i do not recall the name of, it was white and had almost crunchy looking particles in it. We continued that for 5 days 2 times a day but it did nothing. Afterwords the vet said it could be the food and gave me this special Purina brand product wet and dry called Prunia En (GastoEntric) along with Purina FortiFlora which i mix in to his wet food once packet a day. It has been 3 days since ive been feeding him that and i have not seen a change yet. I called them again yesterday and now he says he would like to start giving him an anti-biotic called Albon and keep him on this Purina En diet. What do you guys think? I dont know how to fix neither the diarrhea problem or the stepping on/tracking problem and am very lost.
  • patricia ponivaspatricia ponivas Las Vegas, NVMember Posts: 51,847
    edited 3 October, 2009
    I agree that there is a problem here. This amount of pooping is not normal. Find another vet and probally a change of diet. He could have food allergies or some underlying problem with his bowels. Cats are very clean animals and don\'t like being dirty. Hang in there. When cleaning try using rubber gloves to help soothe your hands.
  • Tara WTara W St. PaulMember Posts: 939
    edited 3 October, 2009
    #1 find another vet. I strongly suggest looking for a holistic vet. This vet is just throwing ideas at you and hoping something works. And taking good chunks of your money to do it. #2 go to the store and get a can of pure pumpkin purée. The only ingredient should be pumpkin and nothing else. Mix a teaspoon of the purée into his canned food. This will help get the stools more formed, but it will NOT fix the underlying problem. #3 while you're at the store pick up some organic, plain yogurt or kefir. Offer just a bit on a spoon or mix into his food. This will help grow some good gut bacteria. However if you're giving antibiotics that will kill off all the good stuff, so don't bother until you're done with the antibiotics. #4 if the vet doesn't know what's wrong with your cat I don't think that antibiotics should be given. Like I said, he/she's just hoping something will fix it. #5 Purina sucks. You were feeding better food before. However something is not working for him. I would start feeding a bland diet of boiled, boneless chicken for now until you can figure this out. You could use some meat baby food to stink it up and cut or mash the chicken into whatever consistency your cat will eat. #6 why he pees on himself is baffling. Something is definitely wrong here and the things I've suggested probably won't fix the problem, but it'll give his poor guts a break and maybe a chance to heal. Report back often.
  • Annalisa Conserti-JonesAnnalisa Conserti-Jones Member Posts: 5,234
    edited 3 October, 2009
    I like most, if not all of Khina's suggestions. If it were just the diarrhea, I would say it's something he's allergic to in the food (probably the fish or chicken in the dry, or chicken in the wet you were originally giving him), but the peeing on himself is bizarre. Has he always done this or is it a new occurrence? If he has always done this, he just does not squat like he's supposed to (although while you are at it, have him checked for a UTI, that would make squatting to pee painful for him). I'm not sure what you can do about that without first knowing whether it is fully behavioral on his part. Gracie used to not clean well and would often step in her own poo. For her, it was because she'd race out to go back to play, but she only pooped once or twice a day, not as often as Kenji does. The frequency itself makes me think allergies (because with that comes malabsorption, and so the nutrients pass through his intestines really fast).
  • Molly StrothkampMolly Strothkamp MesaMember Posts: 1,381
    edited 3 October, 2009
    My kittens were on Albon for coccidia. It took a couple of stool samples before it even showed up in the fecal testing. I wonder if the vet is treating with Albon b/c the vet thinks it might be coccidia? :-k
  • Dawn HarmanDawn Harman SpeedwellMember Posts: 1,079
    edited 4 October, 2009
    I agree with Charlie, Albon does take a while to work and because the coccidia is so hard to detect it is not a bad thing to have him on it. It could also be because the food he is eating is just to rich for his system to digest also. Good luck and please do keep us posted on how he is doing! |:|
  • janice lancasterjanice lancaster temple gaMember Posts: 2,505
    edited 4 October, 2009
    I agree that it is not normal for a kitty to poop so many times a day--how much food is he getting? Usually no matter what brand, the package directions end up being way too much food, so it could be a problem of quantity as wll as or instead of the type of food. You DON'T give him any milk, ever, do you? If so, stop it immediately. As to getting poop or pee all over himself and running away from the box--hmm. Does he squat all the way down when he goes? Even if he does, I'd have him checked to make sure there isn't something hurting him--even a fracture from a fall or arthritis type pain, or other issue could be causing pain when he pushes to eliminate, and that could make him run away from the box before he's quite finished. I'd have him x-rayed to make sure there are no injuries, plus to see that his insides are normal.
  • Tina BTina B Vancouver IslandMember Posts: 2,238
    edited 4 October, 2009
    I agree with what Khina says, find another Vet and I would not feed that Purina food, just look at the ingredients :-O Poops should not be mushy or wet, it is definately the food, your cat is probably allergic to something.
  • SterlingAndTheSTeamSterlingAndTheSTeam Mount OliveMember Posts: 41,262 ✭✭✭
    edited 5 October, 2009
    Kenji ... I can move this thread over to the "Cat Health" forum if you want me to ... or leave it here, as you wish. Athena Catster Moderator |:|
  • Shelley CoxShelley Cox CarbondaleMember Posts: 2,752
    edited 5 October, 2009
    This is Delyte. Don't they now make special probiotics for cats now? Giving yogurt or probiotics for people will help a little, but cats have a different digestive tract because of being meat eaters. I would agree and definitely get a second opinion and find out whether he is having trouble in the act of defecating, or has any other injuries. The pumpkin is a good idea, too. Can you give him some plain cooked chicken for a bit to see if you can calm down his digestive tract? As ugly as it sounds, you have gotta keep cleaning his fur and around his behind for him until this passes. Cats get depressed when they cannot clean themselves, and he could be reinfecting himself if it is an infectious problem. We are purring for you all so much! |:|
  • Shira WildShira Wild New Smyrna Beach, FLMember Posts: 312
    edited 6 October, 2009
    I question the him running out of the litter box. Cat don't usually do that. Either something is hurting him when he goes or maybe something in the litter is bothering him.|:|
  • Tara WTara W St. PaulMember Posts: 939
    edited 12 October, 2009
    What's the latest with this kitty?
  • Jessica BlackJessica Black Member Posts: 460
    edited 12 October, 2009
    my cats were all on high protein diets, like yours is. unfortunately, they just couldn't handle it. their poop was very runny and they were gassy for months until i switched their food. i even gradually introduced it to them. some cats just don't need THAT much protein. especially if they are strictly indoors. indoor cats tend to be less active. switching to a food that is about 30-35% protein might help.
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