Diarrhea with new rotation diet..

Kelly M-Kelly M- Member Posts: 779
edited 29 August, 2010 in Cat Health
Okay so after all these threads regarding Wellness canned and wellness core (which is all Hunter was eating) I freaked, (again) and bought all different kinds of canned food, and stopped the wellness and wellness core altoghether. He was doing okay with it. Now, He has diarrhea. It smells so bad. Its like paste. I knew this was going to happen. So, I put Wellness in his dish this morning (of course he didn't touch it) and put a small bit of wellness core in his bowl 1/4 cup (normally I would do this at night). I'm at a loss. its almost like I don't know what to feed him. I don't want him to get crystals, but yet I don't want him to have diarrhea either. He won't eat the wellness at first but if he's hungry he'll eat it eventually. Should I still try the rotation and maybe his system will get used to it? I could get some canned pumpkin to see if that'll help. How much should I give him? Maybe its the different kinds of food i've been feeding him. I've fed him: Weruva Merrick Entree Cowboy Cookout Addiction Safari Buffalo meatloaf ( He LOVED this) TOTW canned (hated it, at like 2 bites) Merrick BG 96% Chicken and Quail I stopped all Wellness 3 days ago. The diarrhea started yesterday, a tiny bit with regular poops, and today, its paste. He has been really whiny today, he a very vocal boy, but its almost like he has a stomach ache. On a more positive note, Hunter isn't sleeping all the time anymore, hes acutally playing on his cat tree at the moment. I guess I'm just asking for suggestions, ideas, on what I should do. I do understand no one is a vet here, and if its really bad to bring him to the vet.

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  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 22 August, 2010
    Hi sweet Hunter, this can be very normal when switching foods and some kitties get the poopies and some don't. What I would suggest is to slow down the rotation to just one food for now. Pick one that he did like and get a couple more cans of that and stick with it for the rest of the week. If you can find a can of pumpkin at the grocery store, it works great for poops. Make sure it's not pie filling but just plain pumpkin. If you can find the organic one from Farmer's Market, all the better. Add just a teaspoon to his meal each time and in no time at all you'll see a difference. Some cats love pumpkin, some cats hate it. So if he hates it, then you'll have to transition more slowly or try getting some of the Eaglepack Transition Solution powder I talk about a lot. That will also help! You can get that usually anywhere you buy Eaglepack food. I hope the poops go away soon! Don't worry, it'll stop, it's just a shock to his system and a good indication that he needs to have different varieties. In the future, add a new food more slowly. Some kitties can go crazy with new food immediately and some can't. He'll be okay and all the better for it!%:D%
  • Kelly M-Kelly M- Member Posts: 779
    edited 26 August, 2010
    Thought I would update everyone with how Hunter is doing. His poops are back to normal. Took about a day and a half with him going back on the wellness. He barely ate it, and I felt as if he wasn't getting enough food. So for the past couple of days he has been eating just his weruva morning, noon and night. His poops are still okay. So today I went and bought him Addiction foods, he loves them! And when those are finished, I plan on trying him on Natures Instinct. Since he has been on the Weruva, he isn't sleeping all the time. I think it was the wellness... Hmmm...:-k
  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 26 August, 2010
    Well that and the fact that if he wasn't eating the Wellness that much, he obviously wasn't getting enough calories. Especially for a kitten his age. He needs a lot to sustain that energy level so we're really glad to hear he likes the new food. Weruva, Addiction and Nature's Variety are all good foods so that's excellent! |$|
  • Lisa DausmanLisa Dausman Member Posts: 5,216
    edited 26 August, 2010
    Alex is right. Hunter is just a kitten, and kittens have very sensative little systems, been thru this with the kittens. With kittens, when you change their food, you have to do it over 14 days, gradually increase the new food, then gradually decrease the old food. :D I am not familiar with any of those foods, other than Bump wouldn't eat them, mol, for now, I would take him off the Wellness and Core, or whatever it is called, mol, pick one food, and get him used to that. If he has diarea, which is normal in kittens, with a change in food, especially if its abrupt, ask your vet about Pepcid AC. Its 1/4 tablet every 24 hours, and it has to be the regular, DO NOT get the extra strength, it has an ingredient in it, that is harmfull to kitteys, but ask your vet first, and one dosage usually clears it up, had to go that route once with Cowboy, when he had diarea at a show, my fault, gave him too much baby food, and I did call my vet first, and ask her, on a Sun morn no less, mol. :D
  • Kelly M-Kelly M- Member Posts: 779
    edited 26 August, 2010
    Never heard of giving a kitten Pepcid. I think I rather go the pumpkin route if I ever have a problem again. He is fine now. This time around I'm transitioning him slowly... very slowly! :)
  • Lisa DausmanLisa Dausman Member Posts: 5,216
    edited 27 August, 2010
    I found out about Pepcid AC when Smokey had her liver issues, and they were in the process of trying different meds and dosages that would work for her. My vet didn't want her to get dehydrated, as diarea can do that, and when I first brought her in, she was dehydrated, and they had to give her sub q fluids. My vet was very concerned about that, and thats why now, she gets wet, mixed with water. So I carry it with me to shows. Had to give some to Cowboy, and he is a kitten, when he got diarea Sun morn, my fault gave him too much baby food on Sat night. If something is going to happen, it always happens on Sun morn at 6-7 am, called my vet, she said to give him one dose. If he still has diarea at the show hall, pull him from the rest of the rings, other wise, if he is acting normal, which he was, continue to show him. It was all over his back end and down his white legs. Had to plunk his back end in the sink at the hotel, and wash him. No hair dryer with me, mol. He was fine, didn't have diarea again, and altho he was a little damp, judges never said a word, and they finaled him. She gives me meds to take to the shows, just in case, but I have strick orders, never give them anything, without calling her first, even tho, I know what meds to give. Next time you talk to your vet, ask him/her about it. Its meant as a temp solution, as with Cowboy, and any continued diarea, is bring them in. Always ask your vet, before you give them anything. My vet knows I am a good 6 hrs from home, and the ans is, if what she tells me to do, doesn't work, find a vet in that area, and have them call her or bring them in first thing Mon morn, depending on what the issue is. Hope Hunter is feeling better. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
  • Lisa DausmanLisa Dausman Member Posts: 5,216
    edited 27 August, 2010
    I found out about Pepcid AC when Smokey had her liver issues, and they were in the process of trying different meds and dosages that would work for her. My vet didn't want her to get dehydrated, as diarea can do that, and when I first brought her in, she was dehydrated, and they had to give her sub q fluids. My vet was very concerned about that, and thats why now, she gets wet, mixed with water. So I carry it with me to shows. Had to give some to Cowboy, and he is a kitten, when he got diarea Sun morn, my fault gave him too much baby food on Sat night. If something is going to happen, it always happens on Sun morn at 6-7 am, called my vet, she said to give him one dose. If he still has diarea at the show hall, pull him from the rest of the rings, other wise, if he is acting normal, which he was, continue to show him. It was all over his back end and down his white legs. Had to plunk his back end in the sink at the hotel, and wash him. No hair dryer with me, mol. He was fine, didn't have diarea again, and altho he was a little damp, judges never said a word, and they finaled him. She gives me meds to take to the shows, just in case, but I have strick orders, never give them anything, without calling her first, even tho, I know what meds to give. Next time you talk to your vet, ask him/her about it. Its meant as a temp solution, as with Cowboy, and any continued diarea, is bring them in. Always ask your vet, before you give them anything. My vet knows I am a good 6 hrs from home, and the ans is, if what she tells me to do, doesn't work, find a vet in that area, and have them call her or bring them in first thing Mon morn, depending on what the issue is. Hope Hunter is feeling better. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 27 August, 2010
    I'm a little perplexed by this coal as Pepcid is not for diarrhea, loose stools or anything like that. It's a medication that shouldn't be given out lightly and only for severe acid reflux and chronic vomiting in cats and only with a vet's consent. It's still a medication and shouldn't be given unless absolutely needed. I understand about giving it with liver issues because kitties definitely get nauseas with that, I certainly did. But never for diarrhea or loose stools. It doesn't even work for that. :?
  • Lisa DausmanLisa Dausman Member Posts: 5,216
    edited 27 August, 2010
    Well.... I am supposed to carry metronidazole with me, for the kittens, which I forgot, and got "yelled" at for it, mol. Pepcid was all I had with me. Maybe because the baby food upset Cowboys tummy, don't know. :? But I always call her first, that was drummed into my head, mol. For Cowboy it worked, he acted his normal self, and was fine the rest of the show, never had diarea again that day. Maybe the Pepcid settled his tummy, so he didn't have it, don't know. :? Next time I go in for shots, I am going to ask her. But I always tell people to check with their vet first. Be interesting, to see what other kitties think, prob going to be a good discussion. =; :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
  • Beastie_and_the_BoysBeastie_and_the_Boys Marquette, MI / ChicagoMember Posts: 17,806 ✭✭✭
    edited 27 August, 2010
    I agree that it's probably best to stick with one food, at least for now. A lot of kitties get GI upset when their food is changed abruptly. It's usually best to introduce new foods gradually.
  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 28 August, 2010
    Hi Coal, I understand what you're saying but I worked for 6 months for my vet to help her out after Alex passed away. I also worked as a medical assistant for quite a few years. Pepcid is for inflammation, ulcers, acid reflux, things like that. Also, it's a medication, even though over the counter, it still can have serious side effects. I personally have irritable bowel syndrome and acid issues as it runs in my family and pepcid is used for only these things. Alex was on pepcid (famotadine) injections as it worked better for her this way. My nephew kitty Moufasa takes a 1/4 of a pepcid daily because of his kidney disease, which produces a lot of acid. Here's a really great explanation of what pepcid is used for in animals and how there are serious side effects and why you need to know what a cat's condition is before giving it freely: http://www.petplace.com/drug-library/famotidine-pepcid/page1.aspx.
  • Lisa DausmanLisa Dausman Member Posts: 5,216
    edited 28 August, 2010
    Hi Alex! :-h I am so sorry, I did not realize Alex had gone to the rainbow bridge. And I always knew, that Alex, as well as others on here, is a very knowledgeable kitty, I always valued your thoughts and suggestions. :D I do agree with you, medication, weather it be prescribed or over the counter should not be used without knowing, what one is treating for. I am always the one telling people, call your vet, take the cat in, etc. Never treat, if you don't know what your treating for, as it could make the situation worse, and/or delay proper treatment. I am always the one telling people that. I give suggestions, but I always add, and you can go back and look at Coal's first post, I told Hunter, to run it past her vet first. :D My vet gave me her cell, for emergencies at shows, as I am a good 6 hrs or more from home. She knows I don't abuse that privledge. She knows I have meds, for their proper use, and know what to give, based on a previous medical issue they had. She also knows, I won't "just give it" without calling her first. And that story, will get to in a minute. When I call, I give her very detailed symptoms of what is going on. She will tell me what med to give, what to watch for, what to do if the med doesn't work, or detailed instructions of what to watch for, or if I need to find a vet immediately, or bring him in first thing Mon morn, or call her Mon morn. The kittens are prone to throw up/diarea, they have sensative systems. It was my fault Cowboy had diarea, I gave him too much baby food treats Sat nite, and I told her that. She said give him some Metrodidazole, which I am supposed to carry with me, and which this time, I forgot to pack. She asked what I did have, which one was Pepcid, for Smokeys liver issues. She said give him 1/4 tablet. If his diarea continues, find a vet. Which if one at a show needs a vet, the Show Manager will get you one, and even take you there, and she said, have that vet call her. If his diarea stops, which it did and he was his normal self, continue to show him, and call her Mon morn. He got one dosage, not a continued dosage, and it stopped his diarea. Like I said, it was my fault, it was the baby food, and he has a sensative system, I know that, she knows that, and she knows, that I know. I am not a vet, I am not a vet tech, but I am very knowledgeable about some health issues, because I been thru it with my cats, and I have a great vet, who explains things in great detail, and I ask a zillion questions and do the research. I feel comfortable in saying I am an expert when it comes to HCM. And that is because I did extensive research and talked to a zillion breeders and vets. That happened because I refused to accept one cardiologist who said Bumpurr would not live past one yr old. He is 3 and will be 4 in Oct, and he is doing very well. I even got my vet to do research on it, since there is a site, that only vets can access, and she got the Cardiologist from UC Davis involved. I know liver stuff, from Smokeys liver issues. I had my vet involved, the specialist from Antech involved, as well as the specialist who did the ultrasound involved. When her ALT value came back at 917, the specialist at Antech had her blood pulled 3 seperate times, and retested each sample to make sure there was not a lab error. Once they found the right meds and the right dosages, one of which was Denosyl, she started to improve, and her blood had to be tested every few weeks, until it was normal. How many people on here, can tell you anything about HCM? How many people on here even know that ALT is liver, or even what the normal value is, which is 10-100, 917 was a little high, to put it mildly, so you can see the degree of concern. How many people on here know you treat liver issues with Denosyl, and how many people on here, even know, that the liver is the one organ that can repair itself. I knew nothing about liver stuff, until this happened to Smokey. I asked a zillion questions, I wanted to learn all about it, and fully understand what was going on. I can tell you all about crystals, because Prowler been thru it twice. The first time was bad enough, after the 2nd time, I went on a mission to learn about them. And lastly, came home from a show, to 2 sick 12 week old kittens, throwing up and diarea, because the pet sitter at the time gave them adult food instead of kitten food. So learned all about what those x-rays looked like and metronidazole, and how sensative little kittens systems are. If I had the metronidazole, she would have told me to give that, bam, all better, they always are. I forgot it. All I had was the Pepcid. Cowboy got one dose, he was all better. Smokey was on the Pepcid for her liver issues, and even then, I don't remember her being on it for that long. Once they found the right meds and right dosages for her, she was eating and improving. And now to the story of why, I always call her, before I give any meds. Was at a show, Sun morn Prowler was throwing up and diarea. Was 7 hours from home and had ridden with someone. I was pretty upset and had no idea what to do. A few people who I knew well from the circuit, and trusted, said to give him Centrine. So I did, he was all better the rest of the day. The person I came with, would not leave. Called my vet first thing Mon morn, I got real "yelled at" for giving him meds without checking with her first. She said your lucky it wasn't Bumpurr, it would have killed him. Don't believe too many people on here, know that Centrine will kill a cat with heart problems. So, since then, I have her cell for emergencies at shows, and she gives me meds to take with me, and I call her, and she tells me what to do, what to give, or if I need to find a vet immed. And lastly, Bumpurr has been on here long enough, that he is well respected and regarded as one of the knowlegeable kitties. He doesn't know every thing, and he makes a point of telling other kitties to check with their vets first. That was drummed into my head, and it was a too close call, it could have been Bumpurr at that show, instead of Prowler. I been posting under Coal, as he was rescued from certain death, and his foster mommy, who shows Persians, asked for help in finding him a home. By posting, he is getting more exposure, someone might read his story, and want to give him a furever home. :D
  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 28 August, 2010
    oh my goodness Bumpurr's mom! I am certainly not trying to tell you what to do or that I know better than you. I also have extensive knowledge in a lot of these diseases as Alex had Triaditis and yes, she's been gone 2 years now. I did the site for her and to help other kitties. So I spend A LOT of time researching as well and I get a lot of input from respected vets online and my own vet. I don't though consider myself an expert at anything, no matter how much research I've done. I don't ever want to have that attitude because even the vets don't always know everything and can make mistakes. I'm just very careful how I word things because I know there are some people who will just give their pet something without thinking twice. I have talked to several lawyers about these issues before I put my site up, and anyone can easily be sued if something goes horribly wrong and it was one of us who said "take this". That's all I'm trying to say. I know you're very knowledgable, I see your posts all the time. But there are plenty of others here that are also very knowledgable, we all have something to contribute. I also don't believe in giving a kitty something, even if it's all natural, just because we can. The liver has to filter everything, even if it's natural and there can be other health issues involved we're not aware of. It's just me being careful. Please don't take offense.;)
  • Lisa DausmanLisa Dausman Member Posts: 5,216
    edited 28 August, 2010
    Alex, I know your one of the very knowledgeable kitties on here, mol, I always value your opinion, as I do with the other knowledgeable kitties on here. I learn alot from you, as I do with the other kitties, and I even saved your IBD site in my favorites, in case I need it for future reference. =; Maybe saying I am an expert on HCM, is not the correct word, sometimes the correct word escapes me, mol, but I always considered you an expert on the IBD stuff, you had to deal with it with Alex, and you did the research, and should I have issues with that in the future, you are the one I am coming to, with like, oh, a zillion questions. :)) Bumpurr is my baby boy, we all know that, mol, and when he was diagnosed at 10 months and told he would not live past one year, I was beyond hysterical. I knew nothing about HCM. I REEEE-FUSED to accept that, no, not Bumpurr. Told my vet to start her book now, because Bumpurr is the one that is going to make it. Like you with Alex's issues, we went on a very long quest to gather information. :D At the top of the Health section, there is some blurb, about none of us are vets, and I always tell people to check it with their vet first. I kinda figured you didn't know it was Bumpurr, mol, I keep hoping someone will give Coal and his brother Ember a furever home. I can't take on another one right now, its not the feeding that is expensive, its the shots, neuter and when they get sick that is expensive. But ya know, each day that passes, I have to keep telling myself, why, I shouldn't take Coal, and each day it gets a little harder. I remember how expensive it was for the kittens, their shots and neuter, before I could even get them on the circuit. :D And now, I am going back to posting as Coal, mol, is we still friends? :-h If I could ask you a small favor, Binix, has an issue with the anastesia, its in the Health section, I remember my kittens not feeling too well after the neuter, but not as bad as her cat. Forget now if it was Bumpurr or Coal that posted, but Finnegan posted too. Can you help her too? :-h :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 28 August, 2010
    Hi Coal, Bumpurr and their momma! Of course we is still friends. We love all the kitties here and their pawrents! that is really sweet and a nice compliment that you saved my website in your favorites, thank you so much! We really appreciate that! All the help we can get spreading the word about these awful diseases, we'll take it! Hey, as a matter of fact, I think I commented on one of Bumpurr's pictures in his photo album saying how he looked like my Finney. He's a handsome guy fur sure! I think we're all neurotic kitty mommas, don't you? I sure am! Especially after losing Alex the way I did, I cannot be too careful with Finn and Lacey now. We're thrilled that Bumpurr beat the odds, I wish Alex had. We really tried hard and just when it looked like she was going to make it, she decided to leave me. Broke my heart into a million pieces. I did see the other posts and as you can see I responded too. I think that poor kitty got too much anesthesia to be honest. Those reactions scare me, my kitties have had reactions to different drugs. I hope she feels a little better now that Binxie is drinking more and more alert. I think being dehydrated definitely didn't help! BTW, don't look at me! I have enough to deal with two little hellions in my house, I can't take another one, LOL! :-h
  • Lisa DausmanLisa Dausman Member Posts: 5,216
    edited 28 August, 2010
    MOL Alex. :)) Yup, yup, we is all neuortic kitty mommy's, and I am prob the worst one on here, mol. :D I asked my vet, what happens to the kittens, from the time I drop them off, to when I pick them up. She knows how I am, mol. She described it in such detail, I could have prob done it, well, except for the gunky stuff. Ya, I agree, I think the kitty got too much anastesia and/or it was the kettermine. I too hate it, when vets blow the people off. I also hate it, when we tell people what to do, when its pretty obvious she should call the vet or take him in, and they kinda blow us off, per say. I know how important it is, to keep them hydrated, that was an issue too with Smokey. Glad she got him to drink something. So...... your Finnegans mommy too, mol, learned something new today, some kitties I know who their brothers and sisters are, some I don't, will never forget Alex, Finnegan and Lacey. :)) Was going to tell Finnegan, I love his new picture, beautiful kitty, does kinda look like Bumpurr, so I will tell you here. :D Don't be surprised, if one day, I tell everybody, Coal is now mine, mol. Macy was kinda interested, I gave her the foster mommy's phone #, I hope she calls. :D
  • Kelly M-Kelly M- Member Posts: 779
    edited 29 August, 2010
    Oh my goodness. lol I think you two moms need to duke it out. :)) Back to my thread... Hunter has normal poops now, and he is currently eating Weruva, and Addiction foods. He is poopin and peeing like a champ! Oh and I think he needs a calming collar, he is CRAZY!!!
  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 29 August, 2010
    Powy! Pow pow! LOL, just kidding. Everything's fine. Glad Hunter is pooping like a champ and back to his crazy little self! :-h
  • Lisa DausmanLisa Dausman Member Posts: 5,216
    edited 29 August, 2010
    Its all cool, we is still friends, mol. =; Bumpurr called Jerry Jones, owner of the Dallas Cowboys, and close personal friend. :)) Sorry we hijacked your thread, mol, glad Hunter is feeling better. =D>
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