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Oh dear... Sick Kitty

Kara FastucaKara Fastuca Member Posts: 28
edited 5 September, 2010 in Food & Nutrition
As some of you may know, Leo has had diarrhea since he came home in July. After someone kept vomiting from raw they have been on canned for a few weeks. I have been giving them EVO 95% and Before Grain in different varieties/flavors. For the last few days Leo has been going outside the litterbox. My apartment is a mess! When I bathed him and touched his rectum, he was not happy. I think he is sore. I switched the litter to Dr. Elsey's because I thought the wood pellets might be bothering him. My vet wasn't available yesterday so I brought him to a different vet who was not happy that they weren't eating dry food. She told me to get some science diet garbage or a hypoallergenic food with rice. GRRRRRRRRRR!!! I just nodded, but she could tell I was not happy. She prescribed some Flaygl (liquid) and I'm having trouble getting it in him! Do you guys think I should stick to one food rather than rotating for now? I also gave him some pumpkin yesterday and today and so far no change. HELP!!!

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  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 3 September, 2010
    I think for about a month, yes, I would do that. Just until his system calms down. You might also think about giving him some good bacteria with a probiotic like Eaglepack Transition Solution. It's a chicken flavored powder that kitties love and it's very mild in probiotics so as not to give them too much too soon. Especially if he's going to be on antibiotics, I'd say replace the bacteria that will be wiped out with it. Also by sticking to one food, you can start doing a "diet elimination" by seeing if there's a particular ingredient or food that maybe he's got an intolerance or allergy to. You may have to see if soemthing like that is going on. His poor little bum! Once the poopies stop, his bum will be okay.:r
  • Dawn HarmanDawn Harman SpeedwellMember Posts: 1,079
    edited 3 September, 2010
    I agree, this is what I use for all of my cats and dogs: http://www.probios.com/ You can get it from PetCo or order it cheaper on line at the link I gave here. The Flaygl is for Giardia and that can cause diarrhea as per this and many other sites:http://en.allexperts.com/q/Cats-1606/Kitten-soft-stools.htm I read and like this answer above. She gave a different drug and a solution for giving it better also. But just Google Flaygl and you will find a bunch more. Good luck and please keep us all informed as to how you are doing. Hope things get better soon! |:| Changed cats as you can see the large container I buy, behind Mac here. mol that is what I edited.
  • Kara FastucaKara Fastuca Member Posts: 28
    edited 4 September, 2010
    We are still in the same boat. My vet wants me to put him on a hairball control food which is dry food and I am very reluctant. I don't know what to do! I don't want him to be sick anymore, but I know how bad dry food is for them! I'm afraid if I feed dry that will make him even sicker since he's never had it before. I gave him a bit of raw today thinking that the bone may firm things up, so I guess we will see. He wont eat the pumpkin unless it is mixed in with his food. Should I switch to dry :( I'm so confused!!!!
  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 4 September, 2010
    Please don't let your vet bully you into feeding something you're not comfortable with! You can get this straightened out with a good diet, it may take a couple of weeks but if you decide to go to raw, don't feed dry with it. Dry takes much longer to digest and will greatly interfere with the raw digestion. BK can tell you more about this, that's his specialty! But raw may very well do the trick, just be on all canned food first and slowly work raw into it. BK's mom and the Dynacats mom wrote a very detailed raw instructional on my website: http://ibdkitties.net/rawinstructions.html. Either way, I would do those probiotics immediately and get some good bacteria in there. YOU are the parent! NOT your vet. You could always tell him that he wouldn't eat it, that's what some people do just to get them off their backs. But it's your decision and you do what you feel is best for Leo! We'll back you up!=;
  • Kara FastucaKara Fastuca Member Posts: 28
    edited 4 September, 2010
    Thanks for making me feel better about not wanting to feed dry food. I actually did feed raw for a few weeks (they never ate dry food), but Piper kept throwing up in my bed so I switched to canned and it stopped. I gave them some today for the first time in awhile and they seemed super excited. I mixed a little pumpkin in Leo's (of course Piper had to have a taste). Will there be an issue if I feed one or two meals of canned and raw for the other two? I was given fortiflora by the vet and gave them a little, but now I read that it's not the best. I think a couple of stores by me sell Eagle Pack products so I will try to get the probiotic there tomorrow. Thanks for all your help! Please keep the advice coming!
  • Lisa DausmanLisa Dausman Member Posts: 5,216
    edited 4 September, 2010
    I guess I look at things differently, that comes from having horses, that ya can't just stick in a car, and take to the vets. The number 1 rule with horses, is you have to know what your treating for, before you give any kind of meds, weather over the counter or prescribed. One should never treat, if they don't know what they are treating for, as the wrong treatment could make the situation worse and/or delay the correct treatment. There are a zillion reasons for diarea, altho the most common reason, is most likely what they ate or are eating. So in my opinion, tests should be done, to find the reason for the diarea. Has anyone had x-rays done, to see if the intestines are inflammed, which would show up as dark, on the x-rays, or to see if there is something else going on in there? Anything that does not look normal on the x-ray, depending on what it is, should be followed by an ultrasound. Has anyone had a CBC or Wellness blood panel done to see if any values are not normal? The test results give the vet a place to start, as well, and this is extremly important, the owner has to be able to give the vet an accurate description of what has changed, food wise, environmentally wise, anything at all, that has changed, since the pet starting having diarea, this is another invaluable tool the vet uses. I know alot rotate foodies, and for them and the pet, it works. But if the pet starts having diarea, then one has alot more foodies to try and figure out what it might be. Not critisizing anyone, mol. Mine get just one foodies, makes it much easier to eliminate, and that goes back to having horses too. All they get is hay and grain, and we stick to just one brand/kind of grain, as feeding different brands/kinds, rotating per say, will cause a horse to colic. Horses cannot throw up like people, cats, dogs, so they colic, which is extremly dangerous, as if not caught quickly and/or if its too severe, they can die from it, maybe another reason horse people are so extremly careful what they feed their horse. When a horse colics, the first thing the vet will ask, did you get in a new load of hay, or did you feed alfalfa, which is very very rich, you can only feed a slice, and alot of people tend to overfeed it. If the ans is no, they will also ask, did you just get a new bag of grain. Other causes are if its too hot, or a change in the weather, which I found out, can also cause kitties to get sick. With my experiences with having diarea, its been because the kittens were given adult food instead of kitten food by the then pet sitter, or I gave them too much baby food, or the change from kitten to adult food, or gave them milkey. She will ask me, what has changed, thats what I tell her, she does the x-rays, yup, thats what it shows, she puts them on metronidazole, which I think is Flaygl, but not sure, but it does come in pills. All better. With Smokey, it was none of the above, so OK, we gotta dig a little deeper, call BB to see if the BW formula has changed, nope, not that, so we keep digging, only thing that changed, was she ate the bread and the plastic, now she knows what to look for, x-rays normal, ultra sound normal, but blood panel shows her ALT value is 917, normal is 10-100, ALT is liver. Bingo, now we know what the issue is, now we know how to treat her, and they pulled her blood 3 seperate times, just to make sure, it was not an error, nope, 917 every time. Had to adjust the meds and dosages a few times, to see what would work for her, but they knew what was wrong with her. The point I am trying to make is, besides doing the tests to find out what is wrong, I had to be able to give the vet accurate information, and a constant change in foods, in my opinion, could have delayed in figuring it out. And trying this and trying that, in her instance, would have delayed the correct treatment. Even if I said I dunno what changed, the tests still would have pointed to her liver, but by being able to tell them about the bread and plastic, now they knew, why, and looked further, to see if the plastic was still in her, which meant an operation to get it out. The specialist at Antech, said in all his yrs of practice, he only saw that one other time, and in that case, the kitty still had the plastic in there, they had to operate. I highly recommend, everyone ask their vets to keep testing, to find the cause of the diarea, and if needed, get referred to an internal medicine specialist. Might not be the food, they might of gotten into people food, plants, flowers, anything, or it could be a a disease. Which reminds me, you should also check out Alex's IBD site, if nothing else, its more info you just learned. I have it saved in my favorites, I consider it one of my valuable tools. http://www.ibdkitties.net/index.html Gee, can ya tell, there is nothing on TV today, mol, so thought I would come on here and bug you guys, mol. :)):)):)):)):)):)):)):)):)):)):)):)):)):)):)):)):)):)):)) Best of luck, whatever you decide to do, and hope kitty is feeling better soon. =;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=;=; edited to add sorry, meant to give you this link too. :D http://www.catnutrition.org/index.php http://www.catinfo.org/
  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 4 September, 2010
    I think you could do some canned and some raw, I don't see any reason you can't. It's much better than doing raw and kibble! Nope, no Fortiflora! That stuff is nasty and doesn't really help. It's got animal fat in it and they don't specify what kind of fat it is! It could be anything. You'd be safer with the Eaglepack. You just need to find a balance I think. If you find that some raw and some canned work well and there's no vomiting or diarrhea, WHOO HOO! Go for it. You may have to adjust the amounts here and there, it may be that she can only tolerate a small amount of raw whereas Leo can have more. Maybe you can do the raw at a time of day when you know you'll be able to keep an eye on them while they're eating. For portion control.
  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 4 September, 2010
    BTW, THANKS BUMP! %:D%
  • Lisa DausmanLisa Dausman Member Posts: 5,216
    edited 4 September, 2010
    Hey, anytime! I still get a quarter every time I mention it, right? MOL :)) Bump got an increase in his allowance, he now gets 50 cents a week, kittens still get a quarter, mol. :)) I always considered you one of the very knowledgeable kitties on here, we may not always agree, mol, but I always valued your thoughts and opinions. Gee, that should get me another quarter too, mol. :-h Tryin this and tryin that, without knowing why, was always one of my pet peeves, mol, and I kinda get into my "book" post mode, mol. =;
  • Kelly M-Kelly M- Member Posts: 779
    edited 4 September, 2010
    Oh diarrhea? Yuck! Hunter had really bad diarrhea for a week, about a month after I got him. I had no idea what to do. I brought him to the vets, and they gave me metronidazole (pill), and a pro-viable that I had to sprinkle on his food. They also told me to get just plain Benefiber and put just a pinch in his food. It was literally overnight and he got all better. His poops have been okay since, well besides the changing of the food incident, but thats another story! :) I'd definiately listen to Alex and Bumpurr. Two very knowledgeable kitties!! Hi guys!! :-h Hope you feel better soon! |:|
  • Lisa DausmanLisa Dausman Member Posts: 5,216
    edited 4 September, 2010
    Hey Hunter!! :-h How is our little buddy doing? :-k He is such a cutie pie, such a sweet face. =;
  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 4 September, 2010
    Hey Bump! What do I look like...a bank? LOLO! And here I thought you were doing it out of the goodness of your big orange heart! :-h
  • Lisa DausmanLisa Dausman Member Posts: 5,216
    edited 4 September, 2010
    MOL :)) Well........ Alex does look like a banker, mol, look at him a snoozin on his desk, when he should be a workin, yup, Alex is keeping bankers hours, mol, mol, mol. :)):)):)):)):)):)):)) Bump wants his quarter, mol, Finnegan already told him, he would steal it out of Alex's piggy bank, mol, orange kitties stick together, don't ya know. :-O
  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 4 September, 2010
    Except for I'm a GIRL Bumpurrrrrrrr!!!! LOLO, :-h, plus Finney knows better. I keep an eye on him and Lacey and I'll kick his orange behind! :))
  • Lisa DausmanLisa Dausman Member Posts: 5,216
    edited 4 September, 2010
    MOL, MOL, MOL!! :)):)):)):)):)) So sorry Miss Alex, either way, girl or boy, ya still look like a banker, mol. :))! Ya should of got the kittens to help you, they would of did it for a dime, well...... Cruiser, Cowboy ain't real smart, mol, ya could of got him for a nickel. :h: Never under estimate the power of orange, mol, ya know what the big Bump can do, he taught the kittens, and he is teaching Finnegan, mol. Finnegan gonna wait until Banker Miss Alex, goes beddy bye, and then her piggy bank, is gonna be short, one quarter, come breakfast time, MOOL, meow orange out loud. We gots our own secret orangey society club, ha ha ha, and Miss Alex, you ain't invited. :))!:))!:))!
  • Kara FastucaKara Fastuca Member Posts: 28
    edited 5 September, 2010
    UPDATE: Leo seems to be feeling MUCH better. He's up and about chasing Piper again :) He had firmer stool last night and it was in the litter box! This morning as well!! Unfortunately after lunch he went under my bed again grrr! It was also a little looser. I couldn't find the Eagle Pack transition powder (all the stores that said they carry the brand don't) so I picked up some natural probiotic capsules. Although his bum doesn't look as irritated, the base of his tail does. The vet told me to put vasoline on it, but is there something else that might work better? Thanks again everyone!
  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 5 September, 2010
    Be careful with people probiotics! Kitties don't have the same flora in their intestines as we do and sometimes that just makes the problem worse. Here's a link for the Eaglepack if you can still get some it would in the long run be better for him and it's good to have around just in case: http://www.petstore.com/Eagle_Pack_Holistic_Transition_Supplement_2.2oz_Adult_Dog_Food-Eagle_Pack-QG59300-DGFDAD-vi.html
  • Kara FastucaKara Fastuca Member Posts: 28
    edited 5 September, 2010
    Oh no, it's not human probiotics. I bought gentle digest by ark naturals. Anyone use this before?
  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 5 September, 2010
    nope, I just looked at the ingredients, looks okay I guess. Don't see the need for chickory in it though but it looks okay. Does it seem to be helping?
  • Kara FastucaKara Fastuca Member Posts: 28
    edited 5 September, 2010
    Only used it once so I guess time will tell.
  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 5 September, 2010
    Keep me posted on how it's working if you don't mind. I'm always looking for new "safe" products to list on my website so people know which ones to get. Are you going to give another dose? What's the dosage say on the bottle?:D
  • Kara FastucaKara Fastuca Member Posts: 28
    edited 5 September, 2010
    It says 1 capsule a day for under 25 pounds (it's for dogs and cats). I gave a half capsule and I was thinking about every other day or 3 times a week for now to see how it goes. I will definitely keep you posted!
  • Lisa ProvostLisa Provost Member Posts: 4,486
    edited 5 September, 2010
    That sounds like a very good amount actually. Nice and slow and not too much. yes, please let me know how it goes, I may add the product to my list if it works well with no side effects.
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